tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357993002975833949.post4124331476257997408..comments2023-06-22T04:39:18.584-04:00Comments on the tenth letter...: Justification (4 of 4) Outlaw - Connie W.Jay Miklovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15414242753908645401noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357993002975833949.post-48253828655845621372011-02-08T21:22:14.973-05:002011-02-08T21:22:14.973-05:00First let me again thank Connie for the post. I wo...First let me again thank Connie for the post. I would encourage Rev. Steve and others from the twitterverse to engage the content of the post specifically. Ad hominem is said to be the last gasp of a dying argument. Connie was gracious enough to articulate her position in a venue she knew was antagonistic to her ideas, but it ought not be hostile to her, this goes for twitter comments and blog comments alike.<br /><br />With that said, and I plan to comment on each of the for posts, my biggest struggle with how justification has been articulated here is the initial premise that seems to state, b/c we see though a glass dimly we cannot say anything about justification with certainty. That notion seems like Gnosticism to me. Paul was quite the logician and fought with all his intellect to make doctrine known, to subvert all his dogma with one verse out of 1 cor 13 seems to miss the mark.<br /><br />It think that presupposition that is born out of 1 cor 13:12 carried to it's logical conclusion can produce nothing but gnosticism.<br /><br />Thoughts? Again, thanks Connie for the post.Jay Miklovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15414242753908645401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357993002975833949.post-62515227872183596952011-02-08T10:43:55.352-05:002011-02-08T10:43:55.352-05:00Frankly sir, your answer absolutely terrifies me. ...Frankly sir, your answer absolutely terrifies me. I really do not want to pick the whole thing apart point by point because I think the problem here with your theological understanding of justification is that there is no theology in it. It is all sociology at best, which is undoubtedly why you feel no compulsion to include a single Scripture reference to uphold your argument. Do you really believe that Paul of all people was vague on justification? Read the epistles he penned to the churches! Do you think that Paul thought that this doctrine was unimportant, open to everyones feelings and private interpretation? Justification should be everything to the one who hopes to be saved solely by the grace of almighty God. Scripture never says that we are good and getting better but that we are DEAD in our trespasses and sins! Unless by the grace of God our eyes are opened by the Holy Spirit to the depths of our depravity (as seen clearly in our continual law breaking) we will not see the need for a perfect savior such as Jesus Christ! But by the grace of God alone through the gift of faith alone the Spirit turns our eyes from our sin and misery to the glory of Jesus Christ crucified and the amazing redemption wrought for us on Calvary! Sinners like you and I are saved, not because of what we are by nature, but in spite of what we are by nature! This "outlaw" version isn't new its just old school liberal universalism with a trendy soul patch.I do not have a problem friend with your having your own ideas, just do the lost a favor and do not claim it is found in the pages of Scripture, or even remotely glorifying to the one who gave His life to reconcile His people to Almighty God! Anyone wanting a great concise explanation of this doctrine please read the Heidelberg Catechism Questions and answers numbers 60-61. I have a link to it on my churches sight www,peacercus.com. Thanks Jay!Rev. Steven Altmannoreply@blogger.com